What is going on with Bukkit - What we know thus far

Would be nice if anyone official could create a...

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Topic: Official information about the status of the Bukkit-Project
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This is the official thread for what is going on with Bukkit during the current times / through the Mojang take-over. Subscribe here to get informed about any official changes and announcements regarding the operation of the project.​

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...thread, and lock it so only officials can post in it.

The idea being that currently lots of people are confused and it would be good to send a clearer message to all the community members that here is where you should look for your answers - this one spot is where the answers to your questions will (eventually) appear.

What we know thus far​

• EvilSeph made an announcement about Bukkit shutting down.
  • This created a lot of turmoil and confusion as rumor and misinformation spread that all of Bukkit would shut down due to legal uncertainties regarding Mojangs "evil EULA".
  • EvilSeph was removed from the Bukkit forums as Administrator after Grum and Dinnerbone seized control of the Bukkit forums and GitHub repository.
• Mojang has taken over many aspects of Bukkit.
  • They own the Bukkit-projekt.
    • Dinnerbone sold Bukkit to Curse a long time ago when Bukkit had major hosting problems. (Curse offered to hire him, host Bukkit, and not to interfere in the project itself.)
    • Mojang bought it from Curse ~2 years ago to prevent any potential legal issues with the EULA and ensure Bukkit was safe.
  • Dinnerbone will personally update Bukkit to 1.8
    • He has also clarified that Bukkit is not the official Minecraft Modding API.
      • (We have every reason to expect a great API once it comes out since Dinnerbone is one of the original creators of Bukkit and his goal has always been to make something that will outdo it. )
  • They have locked the GitHub-repository.
    • Dinnerbone said in the BukkitDev IRC that this is until they have sorted out what to do next / how to best proceed.
    • He also said that they do not intend to stop any forking.
      • Bukkit is GPLv3
      • CraftBukkit is LGPLv3
• TnT has stepped down and is no longer working on Bukkit.
  • He was next in line to take over after EvilSeph, but since Mojang has promised to take care of Bukkit he feels he can finally allow himself to step down and spend some time with his family. (You deserve it TnT! )
  • He still encourages people to create pull requests in the simple hopes that Bukkit and Minecraft will become more awesome than ever (once Mojang unlocks commits to the repository again).
• Download of the craftbukkit software on http://dl.bukkit.org/downloads/craftbukkit/ has been disabled due to a DMCA takedown request by Wolvereness- (a staff member and top10 code contributor to CB).
  • Simply put this means that the possible legal issues with the various software licenses that should probably best have been resolved a very long time ago, but never was, has been forced from heated arguments into legal domain.
  • It also means that there is a code-freeze...
• Also there is now an official post by Mojang!!!
• Many additional staff-members are stepping down...
  • mbaxter has retired.
  • evilmidget38 has retired.
  • lukegb has retired.
  • feildmaster has retired.
  • and many, many more... a long list can be found here.
• Plugin submissions / files are not currently processed! (see the post below this one)

> If I've missed anything important post it in the thread! <​

Ok....

so bukkit as a live project looks rather fucked by now:

...and (Sept 8 - 2014) (trimmed away some messages):

Read the whole unedited chat-log here - with many former staff joining in.​

Bonus: "[21:29] <BlizzardFyre> What's going on with the next Bukkit release?"
"[21:31] <MeltedLux> BlizzardFyre, its done"​

My hope at this point is that somehow 1.7.9 will stay alive, and the bukkit site will "resurrect" and still accept plugin submissions. So it's not on the latest version - I can deal with that - forge has been behind practically forever... it's community doesn't need to shrivel up and die, just change the goals and direction. It can still be re-purposed and remain an amazing site with an awesome creative community. (Admittedly it would shrink a lot - but that's not necessarily a bad thing either.)

(Oh... and it would be a good idea to remove the restriction on mentioning other server software - at this point in time I strongly believe the community would benefit from an as open discussion as possible. The original reasoning behind that rule is suddenly outdated is it not?)

EDIT by Moderator: merged posts, please use the edit button instead of double posting.

 

I can't wait until we have to go back to the dark ages with several simplistic server mods competing with each other.

 

From what I've heard mbaxter and the rest the team will be releasing an official statement soon.

 

That would be great if true!
(Can you elaborate on the "I've heard" part?)

 

Disregard.

 

Never said that. Mojang has only stated they'll be doing the 1.8 update, but haven't stated what they're doing beyond that for the code and haven't stated what they're doing about the existing websites/community and so there is likely going to be a further update/announcement/comment on the future. Not from me, but from Mojang.

Also, I've removed the word 'official' from this topic as it only causes confusion as this is in no way an official account of the situation. If Mojang want to create an official thread on the matter, they may do so.

 

Ah, yes
(Edited topic again though so it sounds less like a question.)

 

So much repetitive information on the forums regarding this issue. It gets a little tedious reading the same thing over and over again.

 

Ok so I get that Dinnerbone will be updating Bukkit to 1.8, but after that, will he keep updating it or is this the last update for Bukkit? Too many servers depend on Craftbukkit for their servers to run and I hope that Mojang isn't stupid enough to let the project for after 1.8. Can someone please answer and give me more insight and understanding?

 

grid21
The reason you're not getting an answer to this is because nobody knows yet. I'm not even sure Mojang knows - they are probably still discussing it or are more focused on working out important short term issues right now.

 

But if Mojang and Bukkit has "always had a special relationship", according to Jeb_, then why suddenly is it a problem that they feel they have to stop working on it?

Ok so after doing some searching around I have found some information that talks about the recent DMCA takedown that Wolv (not the streamer) issued toward Bukkit and Spigot. My source comes from Jadedcat · @JadedcatWylde. Here is the link on which he talks further in depth about what has happened. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s81jha Hope this clears things up for all of you because it did for me. Granted it's not really related to the Mojang's EULA but rather related to something more then that. If I am wrong about how this all ties together please feel free to tell me so. Other wise here is what I found.

Thanks
Grid21

EDIT by Moderator: merged posts, please use the edit button instead of double posting.

 

grid21 that link is misinformation. http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/dl...-for-legal-reasons.309284/page-6#post-2788842

 

Oh ok, Thank you sir for correcting me. But then why the DMCA then? What is the real story?

 

grid21 that you would have to ask wolverness directly.

 

I doubt he would give a reason if I did. However, according to the email he sent Mojang makes it sound like he is up set about Mojang owning Bukkit. Something to that effect. md_5 tweeted about it recently.

 

grid21 that would be purely your speculation and does not answer what is actually his motives.

 

True. It's just to messy to even ask really.

 

More information has been gathered from #bukkitdev - it's in the #3rd post... :/